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Changing ISP

Avatar John Surtees
In another posting you'll see I have recently changed ISP. For anybody interested, here is the background of why I changed and the experience so far.

For years, we had been told by BT that we were too far from the exchange to get broadband. Several ISP's we approached said the same. However, Demon reckoned that it would work. Slow - but it would work. And that's how we ended up with Demon and their truly terrible customer service.

In my experience, if you want to buy something from Demon, you get through immediately, and are able to speak to somebody that is easy to understand, based in this country. But if you need help, you wait in a queue for up to half and hour, then you get the inevitable overseas help-desk manned by people with such heavy accents, that even if they have the answer to your problem, you can hardly understand what they are saying.

To be fair, I didn't need help very often, but when things go belly up, the last thing I need is the extra hassle of someone I can't understand, reading from a script.

Our telephone service was with TalkTalk, and last Christmas, we had three weeks of misery with them, when our phone stopped working. With what seemed like the same asian based help-desk as Demon, they were a total joke. In frustration, I wrote to TalkTalk, got a reply from an office in Southampton, after which, the problem got rectified.

As both Demon and TalkTalk had in the past, tried to use BT as an excuse for their poor service, I decided to look for a provider that used the BT infrastructure, but were totally UK based, and that is why we are now trying MacAce with one of their combined phone and broadband packages. As I don't need hassle, I opted for them to supply a preconfigured router.

So, my experiences with MacAce so far. It was a bit of a shock when ordering on the web, to find that I had to purchase the router. But, I thought, at least it would be preconfigured and it might be a better quality model than some those that other ISP's supply free. Wanting to take advantage of the extra range provided by the 'N' standard routers, I ticked the box against a Thomson 'N' standard model. A few days later I received an invoice for a 'G' standard model (the same model as I was already using).

So, not a very impressive start. However, I rang the support line. And I immediately experienced the advantage of dealing with a smaller outfit. Instantly a voice at the other end asked, how could he help me. Now I wasn't prepared for this. Where was the pre-recorded voice giving me the list of which button to press for which service?. Where was the 'your call may be recorded for training purposes' message? Where was the twenty minute wait?

What I did get, was a friendly chap who asked my name, admitted they had made a mistake and said an 'N' standard router would be with me shortly. True to his word, the router arrived early the next day. At 11.50am my service from Demon stopped. I connected the Netgear and within minutes, I was back on line with MacAce.

The one downside so far, is being charged £98.99 for a router that I could get for £50.00 from Deltatronics. This is rather disappointing, given the fact that most ISP's include a preconfigured router with the deal.

On Wednesday, our telephone service switches from TalkTalk to MacAce. If it goes as smoothly as the broadband, I'll be well pleased. I know that there are cheaper deals out there. O2's new telephone/broadband service (with UK based help-desk) looks very tempting. But at the moment I'm rather enjoying being treated as a person, not an account number.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar Thomas Maude
Hi John I've been with macace for ten years ... and yes they are not perfect in everything but the back up service and advice about anything mac related is second to none.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar Eric Jervis
Keep us updated, John, talking to someone who speaks English properly sounds very attractive.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar Mick Burrell
Very relevant points John. I'm with Plus Net. They supply an 0845 telephone number and an 0114 number (is that Leeds?) which is handy if the phone package you have gives free calls to numbers starting 01 but not o845! They've always answered fairly quickly on the few occasions I've needed them. They happen to be very competitive but you're right - it's worth paying for that kind of service.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar John Surtees
As I had hoped, the telephone switchover went without a hitch yesterday. With no noticeable break in service.

The broadband is stable, but the speed has dropped. As I'm a fair way from the exchange, I've only ever got around 1.4Mbs with Demon. At switchover to MacAce, I did get 1.5Mbs at first, but this has now dropped to 0.9Mbs. A little frustrating, as my neighbour on Sky, after a lot of moaning, now gets 2.5Mbs with wires emanating from the same pole in the street. I think my situation may improve with a reboot of the router, but the instructions say to leave it for a fortnight, so I will comply. But I will be chasing this up.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar Mick Burrell
I'd leave it switched on John. If the router drops the connection, BT's equipment will slow the connection hoping to improve stability and it will only gradually come back up - hence the request to leave it for a fortnight.

Does Sky not come down their cable and not the BT wires?

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar Lionel Ogden
You can get broadband speed variations for a number of reasons. We live about 3km from our local exchange and I regularly get over 4mbps download speed; my neighbour whose line also joins the same pole as mine rarely gets more than 1mbps. We are both with plusnet. There are two main differences between our systems, in my neighbours case he is on an older tariff than me which is not an "up to 8mbps" service. Another difference is that he has a teenage stepson who is forever tinkering with the system and has long extension leads between the router and the telephone socket.

Some time ago I spent some time making sure that all the connections in our fixed telephone sockets were sound and then i fitted an iPlate to the Master Socket. The iplate was bought from broadbandbuyer.com and cost about£9. The iPlate filters out any interference on the telephone line caused by other electrical equipment in the home such as cordless phones, microwaves and electrical gadgets. Electrical interference, also called noise, really upsets your adsl supply. It is also worthwhile checking that you have an adsl filter on all sockets that are used for things like extension phones, sky box, sentryman etc. You can also look on your router's control panel under the status tab or similar and check the Attenuation figure (the lower the better) and the noise ratio (the higher the better); mine are 48 and 12 respectively. You cannot do much to change these as they relate mainly to your line status, but they are useful figures to have to hand if you have to complain to Macace. Incidentally if you connect to the router by wi-fi ensure that it isn't close to things like cordless phones or other powerful electrical gadgets as this could degrade your wi-fi reception.

When you signed up with Macace, they should have told you what download speed you could expect with their service and where you live.

By the way SKY is a satellite service for TV, their broadband service uses BTs network. Virgin Media is the one that has its own cables.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar John Surtees
Mick, Lionel, thanks for the advice/info.

Several months back, I fitted an iPlate to the master socket and connected the router to it. It did indeed, make a difference, but not that great, considering that previously, I had the router at the end of a 30mtr + extension.

I'm afraid I was unable to find the Attenuation or Noise ratio information. I looked under Router Status and Diagnostics in the router manager, but there was no sign of this information. So I guess the router manager may differ between models.

I was give a possible speed of 1.5Mbs when I joined MacAce. So I was not expecting a great deal. At the end of the day, I think stability is preferable to speed. But it would be nice to have both.

The situation is even more frustrating as we have a Virgin Media trench right outside the front door. But when enquiring, they say it's not fibre, and any broadband would have to be over the telephone line. We were among the first to have our pavements destroy by NTL. But there was very little take-up in our road, so I don't think Virgin are really that bothered.

Re: Changing ISP

Avatar Trevor Hewson
Just another experience on this. When I changed to Plusnet last month they quoted an estimated speed of around 5Mb/s, which I found interesting, having never had more than 2Mb/s before (usually an actual speed of around 1.5Mb/s). After the changeover, the speed was much the same, so I belatedly took up their 'free' router offer, since ours was seven years old. Again no change. Anyway, skipping over the red herrings in between, I fitted an i-plate and bingo, the router now holds a connection speed over 5Mb/s and gives a measured download speed of around 4.5Mb/s, an improvement of almost a factor of 3.

I have to admit though that our house wiring is, to put it politely, atypical. There is only one wire to the faceplate of the master socket and I think I could have achieved the same improvement if I had the courage to just snip it. But for £5 the i-plate does at least provide a fully reversible solution.
 
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